Hidden accounts

[caro]

Am I right in thinking that only Administration may hide their account?

Am I also right in thinking that Administration may work on the mechanics of the list without actually being on the Forum and knowing what is going on?

I don't think anybody should be able to hide their account and lurk anonymously in the background.  However, if an administrator needs to work on the mechanics then I can understand why it might be necessary.

During this whole mess that we have just experienced, there was somebody with a hidden account signed on from time to time.  I would imagine they must have been working on the mechanics of the list and unable to see what was happening or they would have intervened. 

Caroline

[Rosebud]

I don't know if it has changed but I have used the Hide my status feature before on another forum. Dont' remember why as I really don't see any reason for anyone to Hide the fact they are here, unless they just have the page loaded and are trying to do something else and don't want to be bothered with people pm'ing them and feeling obligated to respond immediately.

Personally I would'nt mind seeing the featured locked for non-administrative/management members.

Michelle C

[Keeper]

I have responded to this on another topic.  But, will do so one more time.

ONLY Administrators can hide online status.  AND yes, Caroline, there are times when Admins only go in to do the maintenace of the forum and do not open their personal accounts.

All users can hide their email address from everyone EXCEPT the Administrators.  All members can contact each other by instant messaging or by normal email.  For those who are new to the forum, you can find the IM and the Envelope icons on the left under the Avatar area for each member.

Sandra

PS - when guests are just signing on as a member it will appear as GUEST online...but they cannot post until they have returned their request for member status.

Sandra

[Deb]

I have a friend with a system just like this list and what Keeper says is true only people in management can come in as hidden unless they allow the entire membership the same controls. NO way one member can do this.
So what is up here?  I just phoned and asked to be sure and she confirmed this has to be someone with admin controls.

[caro]

There are only two Administrators on this list, one is Sandra, and the other is Micah.  Micah is the expert on the program, but he has been moving house apparently.  My guess is that he was giving one of the new Management team the buttons she needs and just left his computer on.  Management and Administrators can remain logged in indefinitely, so if he didn't actually log out and just left his computer running, he would appear as hidden.  Does that make sense?

Caroline

[melissap]

To be honest there are a lot of people who care about corresponding with others who seem to want to hide thier identity - and I do not mean the administrators who are volunteering their time and energy but rather those who are not willing to share any information about them selves and then have expectations with regard to having their right to air their opinion & make no exception to expecting to have access to those who are open and upfront with their contact information.

Many great knowledgable people on this forum are leaving due to the strife that has been created by these members - and if a select few are ruining the site, then I suppose some people will care.

melissa

[Rosebud]

Many great knowledgable people on this forum are leaving due to the strife that has been created by these members - and if a select few are ruining the site, then I suppose some people will care.

melissa

First I would like to say that everyone of us have the power to stop strife. It takes two to tango. What I mean is each one of us, individually, can control the amount of strife/conflict that occurs here. If someone says something that is challenging/argumentative/resentful, in other words if someone posts something that is going to cause strife, Ignore it, Shake your head, take a deep breath and move on, post something positive.

Second, the great knowledgable people you are referring to are not leaving this forum because of the strife/conflict that is here. They are leaving because they are not getting their way. They don't post because they don't like some of the members, or they want certain members to be banned simply because of who they are.

Take a look through the members directory, Look at how many knowledgable breeders registered here and have only spent 3 minutes here, just enough time to find out someone they don't like was a member here. They haven't spent enough time on here to read any of the arguments, just long enough to know who the other members are.

The strife excuse is just that an excuse, they can control the strife by simply ignoring it, but instead they want to get their way and try and control who can be members here.

I'm sorry, but if those great knowledgable people really wanted to help educate newbies then they would simply ignore those that want to argue and keep the topics polite, pleasant, non-confrontational and educational instead of leaving.

[melissap]

Michelle A,

I did not reference you in my post - and I know that you have taken your comments to me personally in the past, so you can continue to contact me privately if you wish yo drag up things that frankly may be your opinion, but are not factual  

Why did you think that this was directed at you any way?? did I put your name on it or address you specifically - NO - I did not.

I do know that I do not want to correspond with those who want to keep their identity hidden. I have every right to draw my boundaries where I see fit - that is not a judgement, but my right to discern who I chat with.

As for ME attacking people - I think not. But I also have a right to deceide who I feel comfortable talking to, as many people have been manipulative & those are games I will not stoop down to other peoples levels.

there have been many people who have been turned off by attacks - and insult is only added to the injury when the attacker keeps there identity hidden.

Melissa

[Deb]

There are only two Administrators on this list, one is Sandra, and the other is Micah.  Micah is the expert on the program, but he has been moving house apparently.  My guess is that he was giving one of the new Management team the buttons she needs and just left his computer on.  Management and Administrators can remain logged in indefinitely, so if he didn't actually log out and just left his computer running, he would appear as hidden.  Does that make sense?

Caroline

Hi Caro. that could explain it but honestly who really cares why someone is hidding. Sarah posted under hidden and then admitted she did not know why she shows up that way but she does. I checked Micah's account and the administrative one and it clearly showed when they were last on line and it was not in the past few weeks. Same for Keeper she showed the 4th of April. So unless they have alias accounts they are using, . Really who cares how many accounts they post under, except that the poster is trying to inspire conversation. I guess when things get really slow they may opt to do this, Just makes one feel rather silly trying to help someone that is not really in need of help. Why waste your time?
So your explanation makes No sense even if they left their accounts on or open, it would show in their profiles that they were online.

[Kapani]

Melissa go back and read your NASTY post to mike you attacked him big time...

[Deb]

First I would like to say that everyone of us have the power to stop strife. It takes two to tango. What I mean is each one of us, individually, can control the amount of strife/conflict that occurs here. If someone says something that is challenging/argumentative/resentful, in other words if someone posts something that is going to cause strife, Ignore it, Shake your head, take a deep breath and move on, post something positive.

Second, the great knowledgable people you are referring to are not leaving this forum because of the strife/conflict that is here. They are leaving because they are not getting their way. They don't post because they don't like some of the members, or they want certain members to be banned simply because of who they are.

Take a look through the members directory, Look at how many knowledgable breeders registered here and have only spent 3 minutes here, just enough time to find out someone they don't like was a member here. They haven't spent enough time on here to read any of the arguments, just long enough to know who the other members are.

The strife excuse is just that an excuse, they can control the strife by simply ignoring it, but instead they want to get their way and try and control who can be members here.

I'm sorry, but if those great knowledgable people really wanted to help educate newbies then they would simply ignore those that want to argue and keep the topics polite, pleasant, non-confrontational and educational instead of leaving.

This post needs framed, thank you for being not only a voice of reason but one of truth.

[Kapani]

This post needs framed, thank you for being not only a voice of reason but one of truth.

Amen Michelle C.  I'm slapping some Karma on you

[ridgebackpack]

First I would like to say that everyone of us have the power to stop strife. It takes two to tango. What I mean is each one of us, individually, can control the amount of strife/conflict that occurs here. If someone says something that is challenging/argumentative/resentful, in other words if someone posts something that is going to cause strife, Ignore it, Shake your head, take a deep breath and move on, post something positive.

Second, the great knowledgable people you are referring to are not leaving this forum because of the strife/conflict that is here. They are leaving because they are not getting their way. They don't post because they don't like some of the members, or they want certain members to be banned simply because of who they are.

Take a look through the members directory, Look at how many knowledgable breeders registered here and have only spent 3 minutes here, just enough time to find out someone they don't like was a member here. They haven't spent enough time on here to read any of the arguments, just long enough to know who the other members are.

The strife excuse is just that an excuse, they can control the strife by simply ignoring it, but instead they want to get their way and try and control who can be members here.

I'm sorry, but if those great knowledgable people really wanted to help educate newbies then they would simply ignore those that want to argue and keep the topics polite, pleasant, non-confrontational and educational instead of leaving.

Very good post, and very, very true.

[melissap]

Melissa go back and read your NASTY post to mike you attacked him big time...

I have answered your questions about my cross posts to "Mike" both privately and publically. I said it once and I will say it again, I did not care for the tone of sexism in his post to me. I think you have probably talked more about this than Mike or I have, and this is the LAST time I am addressing it. Feel free to issue any attacks on my character that you wish, but I think it was advised that if you want to continue to take issue with this, then you can email me privately & so can Mike if he is so inclined.

Melissa

[Deb]

If rosebud ever choose to be in control or have a list I would support it one hundred percent. You go girl.