Hidden accounts

[melissap]

It is not any secret that the negativity on this forum is a turn off & the secret alias and hidden identities are a large part of  that.

Michelle A. - Again, you were not addressed by name or my incodent in my post, so I am unsure why you felt defensive.

From my understanding it was the exact reason many left RRfolk (the negativity) and yes, most people know who some others are and I  personally feel more confidence in advice given by those who will stand behind their name.

Picking apart the issue by making issue with security issues or implying that anyone has asked for in appropraite info is a huge over reaction. All anyone is  asking  for is a name to go with the post and a bit of info about involivement with the breed (the is the RR forum so it does  not seem off base to provide info about your background in the breed)

The negativity is  being  drug up for me every time I post & I have not done a damned thing to point fingers at any one. yet again I see Michelle A has brought  somethign I have said or done out of context!

Michelle A, if those posts were not deleted - they would be  left up and yet you chose to delete & then drug my name  up again in referenece that is  out of context!

I sure hope that this does get resolved. I thought it had, and frankly as far as I am conderned it has been. I had hoped that  Michelle your apology was sincere - and that you deleting the post is not a retraction of your apology. ? who knows -

THere are a lot of people newer and very experinced  on the thread and openness is in my opioion  what creates trust adn transparency anything less is not forthcoming.

Melissa

[Kapani]

Melissa stop thinking about it, I wrote what I meant.  This list finally has some action so I have to disagree with you when you say people are leaving or not posting because of it.  At this point we have very few experienced show people or breeders on this list and I hope they will join.  Fact of life is we will have disagreements and even arguments but there is often things to be learned in arguments.  Maybe people aren't posting because there is such a watchful eye on every word posted and they aren't in the mood to have to defend every word they type?  I think first names are enough for me becauase any advice given on these lists should be the starting point for a person to do their own research.  I hope one day some of the loooooooooooooong time breeders will join this list and dispense some of their knowledge but until then I think we are doing just fine.

[Kapani]

It is not any secret that the negativity on this forum is a turn off & the secret alias and hidden identities are a large part of  that.

Melissa

I'm right there with you Melissa People being accused of things they did not do and the many  alias's are puzzeling to me as well.    I am who I say I am but there really isn't a way to prove who people are unless of course people start investigating every person on this list and I hope that isn't going to happen. 

[caro]

Theresa's posts were very pertinent and I have to agree with her.  It is much easier to correspond with somebody when you know (a) where they live; (b) how much experience they have; and (c) what they do with their dogs.

I have shelves of books on dogs but I have to say I have learned more from my aunt and uncle who have been in dogs (raising, training, showing, breeding, and judging) for over half a century.  My books are excellent references when I can't get help verbally, but there is nothing that can take the place of actual experience. 

What I have found is that every situation is unique and while books can generalize, one has to be able to take the book learning and adapt it to individual situations.  That is why I personally value the advice I get from this and the only other list I belong to.  But usually I know where the advice is coming from and feel a lot more confidence when I know the person giving it has been there themselves.

I do not believe that the number of puppies/litters a person produces is necessarily a good indicator of their knowledge.  Some of the most knowledgeable dog people I have met have bred very very seldom but what they have produced has been high quality.

Caroline

[melissap]

Melissa stop thinking about it, I wrote what I meant. 

Melissa writes: I had stopped "thinking" about it" - but was surprised that they had been deleted when I logged back in this morning & I felt it best to clarify why - I  was unaware that we could "delete" posts!

 " Fact of life is we will have disagreements and even arguments but there is often things to be learned in arguments.  Maybe people aren't posting because there is such a watchful eye on every word posted and they aren't in the mood to have to defend every word they type? "


Melissa writes:


I think we agree that this is "negativity" in itself...and that is exactly the problem; as I can not speak for others, I am worn out by having to worry about every little thing I type & then being jumped on.

Nobody new or long time wants to  get into negative confronations and see things they write taken out of context.

I think we were on a better track when we started filling  out the more indepth profiles, and Michelle A. I know you did too -

I also agree that ss# are a bit over board, but general info about your history in the breed should not cause defensiveness.

While a variety of opinions is essential for learning - these opinions could be less hostile - and should not really be the cause of negativity - but getting jumped on is something that will - after the jumping ; of course is when people get defensive and it  adds further  confusion and  anomocity when the Jumper is hiding and waiting  to bait others on the forum.


I hope one day some of the loooooooooooooong time breeders will join this list and dispense some of their knowledge but until then I think we are doing just fine.

Melissa writes: yes we are all doing just fine - but the negativity has already had its impact - & I think our goal is to have more open communication from all sides, as the new persons contrubutions will shape the future of the breed. Like the rest of us - non of our dogs  will live forever, and havign the opportunity to shape the group of new individuals should be a mutually respected gift!


THanks for everyones in put & contributions - and have a great day!

Melissa P

[Keeper]

In message #31 Michelle Kapani writes:  "This list finally has some action so I have to disagree with you when you say people are leaving or not posting because of it."

I am sorry to say that this sort of 'action' is not what this forum originally had in mind at it's inception.
I would rather that the 'action' be more toward important topics, not Hidden Accounts. 
I believe the topic is divided and will remain so, since our forum does not require full disclosure of name, rank or serial number.   

If you don't trust information from the person posting, the answer is simple...don't believe it, research elsewhere. 
I've had a couple good suggestions and we might incorporate them in the future.  Those who post information about say, TRAINING could have a brief resume added to the Members topic and also have a 'title' relating to their semi-expertise in that topic put in their Avatar.  Would like private response to your thoughts about doing this.

Still the forum would have to disavow any guarantee that this information is correct.   
So you see, I think that some people are taking this forum WAY to SERIOUSLY.

Sandra