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Offline Rosebud

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Re: Weight?
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2007, 11:28 PM »
Ben I think Melissa has given you some great information to think about.

110-120 lbs is rather large for this breed.

My boy is a very big boy and he has good bone so that is going to cause him to weigh more. He is every bit of 30 inches in height and he weighs 120 lbs. He is overweight so once I get his weight off of him and get him in shape I expect that he will weigh closer to 100-110 lbs. His brother is just a few inches shorter and weighs about 95 lbs. He is very lean and solid muscle, but still Jake is on the upper end of the standard.

An RR that is a fit 120 lbs is definately going to be huge and way, way to big for this breed.

Maybe Denise could post the link to the overweight and fit pics that she gathered for the H&G website. They will give you a very good idea of what an overweight RR looks like as compared to one that is a lean, muscled and fit.
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Re: Weight?
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2007, 11:44 PM »
Maybe Denise could post the link to the overweight and fit pics that she gathered for the H&G website. They will give you a very good idea of what an overweight RR looks like as compared to one that is a lean, muscled and fit.


I'd be happy to!

Go to http://rhodesianridgebackhealth.org, and scroll down to the bottom left box, "Is Your Ridgeback Fat?"

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Re: Weight?
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2007, 11:58 PM »
Sorry to cause so much controversy...lol...I do appreciate both of you helping me out though...I was beginning to psych myself out but when i look at the pictures of the last litter which are now a little over a year old i see that they look amazing.  Thanks for the concern Melissa, this will probably not be my last RR to own, in fact i'm almost positive of that and I can only get better as i go, right?  Anyway, I probably will neuter him nonetheless mostly just because it is healthier for him.  Okay, let me know if you have anything else you want to add though...I'm always willing to learn more!

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Re: Weight?
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2007, 12:02 AM »
I'd be happy to!

Go to http://rhodesianridgebackhealth.org, and scroll down to the bottom left box, "Is Your Ridgeback Fat?"

This helps alot!  Thank you very much!

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Re: Weight?
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2007, 01:33 AM »
hi ben,

not sure if this is your first dog or not, but i got a scale and that helps a lot with feeding. so every day i measure it out and know how much i give mine. if they look a bit ribby then they get more than last meal, if they look a bit round they get less. i still go by the guidelines on the kibble package but it's sort of like watching your own weight, you don't always eat the same amount every day.

for my male who is a show dog i like to see his list rib when he's standing still (hard to do), my vet noted that he was thin, but i call it 'fighting trim'. my female gained a lot over her last heat/false pregnancy cycle so she went on a diet and is now starting to look more fit. you will get to know your dog and his needs over time.
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Re: Weight?
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2007, 07:43 AM »
Okay - well you have a right to your opinion as well; but it was just yesterday you had so much to say about the GSD and how it's breeders got far off track from the standard - which is ultimatley true, but if breeders are not showing for CONFORMATION how do we gauge when and who is producing dogs that are not within it???Well the GSD was shown at still ruined so showing does guareentee anything.  I did say for me it wouldn't matter I can judge conformation I don't need a CH to tell me if a dog is put together well.  Heck just about anything can get finished if you want to spend enough money,
Now, lets assume that some traditions are meant to be upheld. That is why conformation exists, and it is the root of the word CONFORM ATION!!! a validation from your piers that the dog meets a set of previously established guidelines that define the norm :)

Bens breeder may have great reasons for breeding him and with a moderate breedign partner may produce top winning show dogs that are health certified and have wonderful temperments - and my advice to him was given with the perspective that he may have not considered for his sake as he wanted to know if  this was going to be a good puppy and if he wants a good representation of the breed - the standard should matter! That is not to say every dog is not for showing and is also not meant to say that a great show dog in my opinion should have a loving HOME Life - I do not know who bens breeder is so I aired on the side of caution thinking "maybe he has not thought of this"......as many new people do not and the forum is here to educate - for the protection of the breed and to ensure happy puppies have happy educated owners!

My asking the standard questions that most anyone would were meant to get him to make an evaluation of the information he has...never to pass judgement - that is just not my bag!

Nor should he be passing judgement - but he should have all of the right questions to ask so that he has the information to discern! Had he not asked for an opinion, I would not given it nor have I  ever drilled anyone on the pedigree of thier dog; as I assume they made the best decision they could with the information they had at that time.

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Re: Weight?
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2007, 10:01 AM »
Ben, I came late into this.  A 120 lb. male dog would be a very big dog.  I have dogs with really good bone and my males rarely go over 100 lbs and they stand 26-27 inches in height.  Please take note of the standard sizes for dogs and bitches.  You will see a lot of oversized dogs being shown.  We do have a standard but many people choose to ignore it.  My first RR was a spayed female and she was 125 lbs when she died.  She was huge, extremely lazy, adored food, and looked like a beached whale a lot of the time.  I don't think her overweight was the cause of her death, but it might have had some really bad effects if she had lived to old age.  A good rule of thumb if you haven't got a scale is that you should always see the shadow of the ribs; note shadow and not actually count the ribs which would mean the dog was too thin, but it is better to err on the thin side than to let them get fat, which is very easy.

Since you are only looking for a pet, I would suggest that you spend some time with the litter and let the puppy pick  you.  You want something that will be your companion and bond with you.  Your breeder should be able to tell you the character of the individual puppies, but the important thing is that they and you bond.  We picked our Dobie pup many years ago simply because she grabbed my husband's shoelace and wouldn't let go.  We had her for 12 years and she was a wonderful pet.

Health of the parents would be the single most important thing.  At a very minimum both parents should be X-rayed and the hips and elbows cleared with a minimum of Good on the hips.  You then might want to ask about Thyroid testing, and after that whether parents' eyes had been checked.  Then insist on the breeder having your puppy examined by a veterinarian 24 hours before you pick him/her up.  In the contract it should state that you then should take the puppy to your veterinarian within a period of about three days after taking delivery to establish a schedule of vaccination and to check that in fact you have taken delivery of a healthy puppy.  Doing this safeguards first the breeder and secondly you.

If you live outside the United States, it is possible you will not be offered a contract as in many countries a sale is sealed with a handshake, but in the US it is important to get a contract from your breeder who should also give you a "puppy packet" with lots of information about the care and upbringing of your puppy.  RRCUS now actually supplies breeders with a puppy packet, but your breeder may already have put together one of her own. 

Please feel free to ask this list any questions you need to have answered.  You will find a lot of first time RR owners on the list who have probably been through many of the same experiences you will be going through. 

Caroline

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Re: Weight?
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2007, 10:35 AM »
Ben, I came late into this.  A 120 lb. male dog would be a very big dog.  I have dogs with really good bone and my males rarely go over 100 lbs and they stand 26-27 inches in height.  Please take note of the standard sizes for dogs and bitches.  You will see a lot of oversized dogs being shown.  We do have a standard but many people choose to ignore it.  My first RR was a spayed female and she was 125 lbs when she died.  She was huge, extremely lazy, adored food, and looked like a beached whale a lot of the time.  I don't think her overweight was the cause of her death, but it might have had some really bad effects if she had lived to old age.  A good rule of thumb if you haven't got a scale is that you should always see the shadow of the ribs; note shadow and not actually count the ribs which would mean the dog was too thin, but it is better to err on the thin side than to let them get fat, which is very easy.

Since you are only looking for a pet, I would suggest that you spend some time with the litter and let the puppy pick  you.  You want something that will be your companion and bond with you.  Your breeder should be able to tell you the character of the individual puppies, but the important thing is that they and you bond.  We picked our Dobie pup many years ago simply because she grabbed my husband's shoelace and wouldn't let go.  We had her for 12 years and she was a wonderful pet.

Health of the parents would be the single most important thing.  At a very minimum both parents should be X-rayed and the hips and elbows cleared with a minimum of Good on the hips.  You then might want to ask about Thyroid testing, and after that whether parents' eyes had been checked.  Then insist on the breeder having your puppy examined by a veterinarian 24 hours before you pick him/her up.  In the contract it should state that you then should take the puppy to your veterinarian within a period of about three days after taking delivery to establish a schedule of vaccination and to check that in fact you have taken delivery of a healthy puppy.  Doing this safeguards first the breeder and secondly you.

If you live outside the United States, it is possible you will not be offered a contract as in many countries a sale is sealed with a handshake, but in the US it is important to get a contract from your breeder who should also give you a "puppy packet" with lots of information about the care and upbringing of your puppy.  RRCUS now actually supplies breeders with a puppy packet, but your breeder may already have put together one of her own. 

Please feel free to ask this list any questions you need to have answered.  You will find a lot of first time RR owners on the list who have probably been through many of the same experiences you will be going through. 

Caroline

Thanks for that!  I actually copied and pasted the paragraphs about the parents health and the "puppy packet" and emailed it to her this morning asking her if she did anything like that so you were a great help and i'll let you know what she says.