"Blue" RR?

[Porga]

I realize, Porga, that you didn't mind anything offending. But I don't think that that way for training dogs is correct for RRs and I do not think it is ethic. I can only see that a owner of dogs just to do PR for future pups (see his\her comments: We will have Ridgeback puppys soon. They are breed to catch pigs with only one dog. We only put one dog out at a time unless we are training new dogs. All the videos on Utube are just training dogs, you will have to buy the DVD to see the good stuff.) 

Nana

Nana, I agree. I don't know why you get assumption that I support their methods?
Unfortunately, that video is search result of a term "hunting ridgeback" on Youtube. It is really sad that you can't find correct video representation of breed, (in todays world of multimedia and on most popular video service) and that this is actually first "real" hunting video that you get when you search that term, when you, of course disregard videos of some dog  showing how he is hunting mice, and flushing pheasants.
We might disagree with their methods, and they of course are doing disservice to the breed, but we should ask our self why there are no videos of correct representation of breed?

Regards

Igor

[Lekana]

<<c'mon folks. This is like one of those car crashes that everyone knows things are bad but they look anyhow.

We know alot of folks dont agree with it, please dont watch the video's if you havent already if you dont know whats involved with hog hunting with dogs. <<

Sorry, Kelly, have to disagree wtih you.  There are people on this list, who are past STEWARDS on this forum that continually try to teach hunting, and the simple fact that "hunting" is a major "subject" on this forum, is WHY many of us, with an open mind, and wanting to learn is WHY so many of us viewed that video.  Nobody EXPECTED a "car crash."  We expected, what I'm sure we all believed to be a FAIR hunt, a true representation of how hogs are hunted. 

Instead we were treated to dogs mauling a hog who's rear legs were being held by a human.  Yeah....what a fair fight THAT is.  I've already said on this list that my dogs have cornered and "bayed" such innocuous game as raccoons and possum.  And the fact I removed my dogs from "that game" because I had no instrument to dispatch said game, I guess is too boring.  I suppose if I had gone in and caught that game with a "catch pole" and inhibited their abiltiy to defend themselves and my dogs went in for the kill (without any risk of injury to themselves) that it would make for "better video."

To keep this subject related... I agree with Matthew , those dark dogs were no more purebred ridgebacks than any cur dog I can find at the local pound.

Shara

[melissap]

Some more info on the blue coat color as we are having several litters in Europe with blue puppies and the carriers are spreading throughout breeding stock. Funny enough this seems to be a rather new problem to us as I have never heard of any blue puppy like three or four years ago and then they kept popping up all over...

Canine Coat color test at VetGen
http://www.vetgen.com/canine-coat-color.html

Interesting here is the D Locus
DD is non-carrier of dilute
Dd is carrier but not blue phenotype
dd is blue

We have a similar test in Germany but from the breeders who made it so far I have heard that it is not very reliable and results vary.

This German breeder had a litter with blue puppies and put a lot of info about the gene and testing on her page. Please scroll down for pics of the blue dogs
(sorry, only available in German)
http://www.of-moyo-kwa-ureno.de/dilute.htm

the University of Bern is doing some research at the moment
http://www.genetics.unibe.ch/content/rubrik/dilute/index_eng.html

Regards

Great Post kiki - Thank you for the links and info! Melissa

[la_vista_baby]

We have a similar test in Germany but from the breeders who made it so far I have heard that it is not very reliable and results vary.
This German breeder had a litter with blue puppies and put a lot of info about the gene and testing on her page. Please scroll down for pics of the blue dogs
(sorry, only available in German)
http://www.of-moyo-kwa-ureno.de/dilute.htm
Regards

Kiki, I also heard that blue gene tests sometimes do not yield trustworthy results, but I guess with time maybe they can be altered to be more accurate. The links you provided are excellent - my German terminology is not the best, but still the article is nicely and clearly written!!! Thank you for sharing - I never saw it pop up in any search engines before!

Not to mention that the blue puppies are such darlings in the photos!!!

[la_vista_baby]

Hi,
I don't think that it is a new problem, I do know fore sure it is a old problem, and I know fore sure that people will put them down and never talk about it. Now we have a new generation who will tell what they have we have good internet so that everyone can see now what you will have.
 And when you do breed with a dog who has the bleu gene her or his kids don't nacesary will have the bleu gene, and we are very lucky we can test the bleu gen so that we can check if the male of female has it. So that you can breed, but wil not get the bleu ones.
Katja

Katja, I'm right on board with you thinking that it is not today's problem only, but that only now breeders choose to be completely open about their litters and anomalies within (even though I do not think that blue pup is an anomaly - it's normal, even if not correct). Actually, reading the history of blue weimaraners and how they were never accepted by FCI, but were exported to the States and accepted by AKC in conformation for a while, makes me wonder how the RR standard would have evolved, if there were blue RR pups imported to the States... It could be that if there were more blue pups at the time, blue color would have been deemed rare, but standard...

[nana]

This is like one of those car crashes that everyone knows things are bad but they look anyhow.

We know alot of folks dont agree with it, please dont watch the video's if you havent already if you dont know whats involved with hog hunting with dogs.

It will disturb you.

NO NO NO!
I KNOW what is it really TRAINING for a boar - it is REALLY DANGEROUS for DOGS not for a boar! When your dog meets with a BIG (much bigger than a dog) impudent boar who can and DOES throw up a dog if he has not been careful and has approached very closely to a boar! NO ONE keeps a boar for his rear, NO ONE sticks and sticks him... BUT these trainings are NO TRAININGS - this is just silly and CRUEL boasting and I even could't imagine WHAT I could see there..... Of course I have watched the videos to the ending.... I am not a driveller and I can go through such things BUT it was not the same if I would have seen the true training.
Nana

[Katja]

Yes is not unormal, because in the early days, they showed some bleu ones and breed with them, just like with the Thia Ridgeback, there are also gray, black and brown ones, and mutipule crowns are also okey. But I do think when they set down the breed, that they make disisions what they really wanted, wich color, wich ridge, and than put that in a book, just like with the ridgeback, but the colour will be in the gene's, and pop out so now and than when they are further in the breed. But is that something to be shamed of, no I know fore sure not. I rather have bleu in my line than other strange or bad thinks.
But I hope more breeder will be open in this, and put down all faults on the site, so that we can learn from that combination, and not make the same faults as they did, or make the same combination as they did because the offspring were so good. We can all learn from ona a other, and put some ego away and say to the other one you did very well, I will make or I will have the same stud dog or combination as you do. That keeps the breed in good health I think, but maybe I am to fare in this.....I hope only some day...
Katja

[shodyL]

I agree Katja.  In a perfect world, everyone would be open and honest with information.  But we don't live in a perfect world.

It does seem that more and more breeders are moving in that direction.  I also think it will be a great thing when the day comes that all faults are admitted, not hidden away, and everyone can learn from each other, like you say.  It seems this would be in the ulimate best interest of the breed as a whole.

I know I have never bred, and am new to the breed.  I can only imagine how hard and heartbreaking it would be to have bad things come up in a litter.  I applaud all the brave breeders out there who no longer cull, but deal with thier less than perfect puppies in a kind and humane manner.

[Katja]

I mean Thai Ridgeback sorry..
Yes more breeders will go in that direction, just great!!! But some are affriad what other people think about them... but this is not about the breeder but fore the health of the ridgeback. And we are not mother nature..... luckely.
Katja

[la_vista_baby]

It takes a lot for a person to overcome kennel blindness and then even more to accept and be honest about negative issues of one's dogs. Too bad that many people put cosmetic faults, which do not affect the health of a dog, into the same pot as health/temperament faults, which change and often debilitate a dog's life quality. As Katja said, a breeder who is open about all the issues and faults, is the one to be respected and returned to in the future - not the one, who claims that there is NO faults in their lines, NO pet puppies, and NO unwanted recessives that pop out once in a while. Come on, noone has a PERFECT dog. I love to watch odd color pups grow up and be treated as a beloved pet - attend play dates, litter reunions and be photographed throughout life, and not like some deadly sin that has to be hidden and be ashamed of.

They are so pretty - so what if they cannot compete in conformation ring? In a dog's life and perception, shows do not determine the quality of their lives. As a matter of fact, to some it's the other way around.