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Re: Assessing four week olds
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2009, 09:58 PM »
Thank you so much!

I happen to be a believer in these programs.

Do you think it is worth using it on an eight week old? From what I briefly read in the first link it describes critical stimulation period at 4 to 16 weeks?
Is my recall wrong?  I have seen people explain the program, demonstrating with puppies only a few days old!

I intend to constantly hold, flip, gently restrain, play with feet and mouth and so on
( teething and mouthing-of-people notwithstanding), etc.

Some interesting reading about the Super Puppy program you are referring to:

http://shell2.lomag.net/~moosedog/superpuppy/

and a book on this: 

"Super Puppy Goes To Puppy Class".
How to Train the Best Dog You'll Ever Have!
~ by Peter J. Vollmer

and finally!?!?!?!  The website that shows the 5 steps for young pups:

http://www.johnlunn.com/tricorn/superpuppy.html





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Re: Assessing four week olds
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2009, 10:13 PM »
Caution:
this is not to be done constantly
- or -
by young or inexperienced people/owners

as I stated, this is ONLY for information.  There are other websites that only put a 'portion' of the information out there...that doesn't make it right.  Everyone needs to research/investigate and explore different methods PRIOR to acting on any of this.

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Re: Assessing four week olds
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2009, 10:29 PM »
Hi Laura,
I am not a breeder but recently purchased a "super" puppy from a Weim breeder.  They do the super puppy program + exposure to cats, birds, gunshots, water (swimming) etc.  My puppy came to me mostly housebroken, exposed to a crate, sitting, laying down and heeling pretty well.  After 10 months, he has only improved with age!  Their success in all facets of performance is very impressive.

I was on a waiting list for 18 months.  I was informed that the bitch was pregnant and then that 10 puppies were born.  I was told that I was definitely getting a male pup at the 4 week mark but wouldn't know which one until 7 1/2 weeks when they do the evaluations.   They kept the pups until they were 9 1/2 weeks old so they could do additional work with them.  I ended up getting to chose between two puppies that they said were right for me.  I ended up choosing the larger puppy because I thought he looked better in the pictures.  I had to fly up and pick my puppy up in person.  They do not accept deposits.  There was a contract but it was a very simple one.  

On the other hand, I picked my Brittany pup at 5 weeks.  I showed up first with the deposit so I got pick of the litter.  Went in looking for a orange and white male and came out with a liver and white female.  She is great and I wouldn't trade her for the world.

I guess my point here is that there is a great variety of breeders and theories in the US.  Find someone you feel comfortable buying from and be sure to meet the parents of your puppy.  If you meet the parents and you would be happy if your puppy was similar in temperament, looks and personality, then get a puppy.  If not, keep looking.

In Oklahoma, there are breeders who maintain waiting lists for their puppies and don't let you choose your own puppy.  There are also breeders who let you choose.  The second type of breeder typically does not focus on performance or show but is mainly selling pets.  

Check out Ian Dunbars book about raising puppies.  IMO that is a great primer for raising a Ridgeback puppy.

Ragan


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Re: Assessing four week olds
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2009, 12:51 PM »
Thanks for the great input. I will look for the book.

Hi Laura,
I am not a breeder but recently purchased a "super" puppy from a Weim breeder.  They do the super puppy program + exposure to cats, birds, gunshots, water (swimming) etc.  My puppy came to me mostly housebroken, exposed to a crate, sitting, laying down and heeling pretty well.  After 10 months, he has only improved with age!  Their success in all facets of performance is very impressive.

I was on a waiting list for 18 months.  I was informed that the bitch was pregnant and then that 10 puppies were born.  I was told that I was definitely getting a male pup at the 4 week mark but wouldn't know which one until 7 1/2 weeks when they do the evaluations.   They kept the pups until they were 9 1/2 weeks old so they could do additional work with them.  I ended up getting to chose between two puppies that they said were right for me.  I ended up choosing the larger puppy because I thought he looked better in the pictures.  I had to fly up and pick my puppy up in person.  They do not accept deposits.  There was a contract but it was a very simple one.  

On the other hand, I picked my Brittany pup at 5 weeks.  I showed up first with the deposit so I got pick of the litter.  Went in looking for a orange and white male and came out with a liver and white female.  She is great and I wouldn't trade her for the world.

I guess my point here is that there is a great variety of breeders and theories in the US.  Find someone you feel comfortable buying from and be sure to meet the parents of your puppy.  If you meet the parents and you would be happy if your puppy was similar in temperament, looks and personality, then get a puppy.  If not, keep looking.

In Oklahoma, there are breeders who maintain waiting lists for their puppies and don't let you choose your own puppy.  There are also breeders who let you choose.  The second type of breeder typically does not focus on performance or show but is mainly selling pets.  

Check out Ian Dunbars book about raising puppies.  IMO that is a great primer for raising a Ridgeback puppy.

Ragan



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Re: Assessing four week olds
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2009, 03:43 PM »
and do go to puppy school  :-*

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Re: Assessing four week olds
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2009, 12:27 PM »
But I already have my master's!   

 ;)

Hee. Kidding. Yes, I am very interested in puppy classes!
And I have lots of dog-owning friends to notify with friendly pooches, that the pup
can get to know. Assuming they are all healthy.

and do go to puppy school  :-*

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Re: Assessing four week olds
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2009, 12:48 PM »
More on the topic. Hello all. Well, I called the breeder asking if the boy I had seen was still around, and could I take a look at him again.
The response was "Well, I think all the boys are gone..." and a second of hesitation, then a slightly sarcastic tone "cause I took you at your word."

She said the words in a staggered way too, as if to emphasize something.  I could not tell if it was just sarcasm or something more upset.
But when I asked if I could come visit this weekend again, the answer was a pleasant "Oh yes."
So, I'll be seeing the pup again. I'll see how she develops.

I already dropped the deposit in the mail, though breeder has not received it just yet, but should be getting it any day.

Wish for the best everyone!

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Re: Assessing four week olds
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2009, 03:09 PM »
Just my .02 worth on this discussion, because I’ve read on this list and other lists that Laura is searching for a ridgeback puppy.  And because of this knowledge I think Laura is wanting something very specific, in a non-specific way.  And Laura, any animosity aside, I think it would be very difficult for people to give you any advice on a litter that is only 4 weeks old, if you don’t know the breeder or what she has produced, meaning you have no information concerning adult dogs of similar breedings.

We have heard from you in many contexts about getting the right puppy, but you have given us NO INFORMATION about what you know of this litter that is 4 weeks old, the research you have done regarding the parents, and how THEY behave, and BECAUSE I know you from this list an others, you have very specific wants and needs, and are quick to give opinions about breeders, but less willing to give us certain background information on the parents. 

In other words, because you deem yourself as someone that is trying to do all the right things in getting a puppy, your enticing people to give you solid advice on a FOUR WEEK OLD LITTER without any additional information, when you, yourself seems to be on a quest for a lot of information, seems a bit ingenuous. 

I’ve read all the responses…I’ve read that good breeders do certain “tests” on their puppies concerning temperament…I’ve read that breeders should “know” what is a good fit for a simple family home…

Wow…guess what…I KNOW my dogs, I know their basic temperaments…even with my first and second breedings…I simply KNOW whatever “quirks” may linger in their DNA.  And I simply DEAL with and interview intelligently with people that simply want a BASIC dog.  Am I going to TELL someone something specific if they take home a 9 week old puppy and EXACTLY how that puppy will deal with existing cats?????  Hell no…if someone is THAT concerned with how a 9 week old puppy will relate to their CATS, and isn’t CONFIDENT they have the ability to deal with such a minor issue, they simply aren’t ready for a Rhodesian ridgeback.

In other words, Laura, you will NEVER find “the perfect ridgeback” without work on  your part.  And quite frankly, if we are to believe your account of your dealings you’re your latest breeder, I would certainly have concerns.

<<The litter was four weeks old. They were never on the floor before.>>

I'm sorry, but after all that has been written, and I am just now catching up....the above statement from the original poster actually concerns me more than anything else...

What exactly does this mean????  What does “the floor” mean???  Four  weeks old that those puppies have never been “anywhere?” 

The range of temperaments you described in your visit with 4 WEEK OLD PUPPIES is foreign to me…4 weeks old is barely out of eyes and ears opening up.  This is an age where exploration is at its height…because those puppies are just now experiencing a lot of different stimuli….

I can only say that MY four week old puppies have been “off  the floor” if that means they have been anywhere else other than the whelping box and I find it disturbing if other breeders use this excuse  to potential buyers. 

Oddly enough, the bigger picture is that I would NEVER allow someone like Laura to lay claim on any of my puppies based on a visit when they were 4 WEEKS OLD to get exactly what she wants, and any breeder that would do so, I would question.  Not to mention that I would find SUSPECT any potential owner that had certain and very narrow needs, because quite frankly that tells me someone simply wants perfection without the required human intervention.

Quite frankly, Laura, since you have SUCH strong opinions about how breeders should behave, yet you CONSTANTLY bring question concerning that very concern, you need to QUIT trying make accomplices of everybody else and make a decision.  And since on your LAST comment on this matter, you stated  you sent your deposit (and I personally DON’T believe in deposits for this very reason) I suppose we will hear every little thing about a puppy you got from a breeder that you, by fact of everything negative  you have written is STILL suspect. 

I HOPE  you are happy with this puppy that you had all of these doubts about, and have engaged this forum in the whole process.  What I HOPE doesn’t happen is that when you AREN’T happy that you blame the responsible ridgeback breeder community.

Shara

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Re: Assessing four week olds
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2009, 10:31 PM »
That's actually a good point.   

Caution:
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as I stated, this is ONLY for information.  There are other websites that only put a 'portion' of the information out there...that doesn't make it right.  Everyone needs to research/investigate and explore different methods PRIOR to acting on any of this.

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