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Kennel Training Tips
« on: October 06, 2009, 02:53 PM »
Hi,
My husband and I just got our RR on Saturday and kennel  training has been very difficult for us. We live in an apartment and my husband cannot stand to put him away at night because he just cries. So he allows him to sleep beside our bed. However I feel like it would be good for him to get used to sleeping the kennel, according to books that I have read and advice from friends. It's just the noise factor that bothers him so much. During the day, I place his kennel in the spare bedroom and I put him in for 1-2 hours and he whines in the beginning but then stops. Does anyone have any advice for him to stay in w/o crying during at night?

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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2009, 03:06 PM »
Would it be a possibility to move the crate next to the bed?
It sounds like you have a great system durring the day & he quiets down quickly - Good for you for being persistant!

Moving it closer at night MAY help, but you may also have to ride it out a bit regarding his initial fuss over being confined - which like you have experienced durring the day will pass!

Hopefully, you will get more responses that will be helpful :)
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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 03:08 PM »
His kennel should become the best place for him to be in and you want to try to make him WANT to be in his kennel.

You can easily start this process by feeding him in his kennel. Also, randomly throughout the day you may want to throw a few treats in the kennel so he finds them and thinks *good things happen in this place*.

The more you cater to his whining, the more he will learn that whining only gets him what he wants and it will only get worse over time.

Also, leave some time-killing toys in his crate, like chew toys or food dispensing toys, something to occupy his time while in there and also make it fun for him.

You can also try teaching a "crate" command, getting him to walk into his crate and rewarding him for 1 step inside, 2 feet, all 4 feet, etc. And then gradually building that up that once he's inside hold the reward until he's inside for 10 seconds, 30 seconds, 1 min, 5 mins, etc etc..  generally just throwing a treat inside will be enough to get the dog in the crate where you can start rewarding (clicker training would be the easiest way to teach) But you can simply use a word in place of the clicker like "YES!" and then reward. The "YES" or clicker MARKS the behavior that you want. So the instant he puts one foot inside the crate you would MARK than and then give a cookie. For settling inside the crate you could MARK laying down, and gradually build to where you MARK after 5 seconds of laying still.



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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 03:11 PM »
 ;) I was just going to head back and mention the treats and feeding to make the crate a happy place - Beat me to my edit, thanks Andrea!
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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 03:29 PM »
Our puppy cried in his crate for 4-5 nights non-stop when we got him - it was heartbreaking and very hard not to give in and let him out, but in the end it paid off.  Do what others have suggested here, but also remember that even at the very young age they will do the best they can to outsmart and to train you to suit their needs ;)
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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 03:33 PM »
Thank you so much for you comments! I just tried the treat technique, and he is sitting quietly in his kennel right now!!! I can't wait to share this with my husband! I have one more question to ask in regards to getting him used to the process. Is it a good idea to section half of the kennel off to defer him from "going potty" in the kennel? And since I have been putting him in the spare bedroom should I continue to keep him there or should I place him in our bedroom at night?

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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 03:51 PM »
Will you hear your puppy cry when he needs to go outside if he is in the spare bedroom?  He will probably start sleeping through the night soon, but I remember I was up 2-3 times every night to bring him outside to potty, for at least 3 weeks, if not longer.  I have also had my puppy throw up in his crate at night a couple times (he wasn't sick - just something he ate) - would you hear that if he is in a separate bedroom?  I felt safer having him in the same room with me, especially when he was that young.  I am sure you will soon figure out what works best for you and your pup though.  Oh, and for what it's worth, I did have a part of his crate sectioned off.
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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2009, 03:55 PM »
The room situation is really up to you. Either way you should be able to train him to be comfortable in his crate, REGUARDLESS of where his crate is. If your husband feels better having the dog near you when you sleep, then that may be in your room. If he doesnt care, then another room may work as well there. Although you should take into consideration that in the beginning, if the dog is able to see you he may whine more (since in the past it has worked to get him out). If he cant see you, it may help him with not whining. Then again, seeing you may make him more secure, as opposed to being alone in another room. You wont be able to know until you try. As he gets more comfortable in his crate and willing to sleep in it through the night, you can move it then with no problems. But remember, hes getting used to sleeping on your bed so if he sees your bed he may want to cry to get on it.

As far as sectioning off the crate, this is the fundamental principle behind crate training. If the crate is big enough, the dog will use one end to potty and sleep in the other end. A crate should be sized so that the dog has enough room to stand, lay down, and turn around in comfortably. You can probably give a couple more inches of freedom but large amounts of extra space may facilitate pottying IN his crate so keep that in mind. Dogs by nature do not want to soil where they sleep so when you confine the dog to a smaller space, they are forced to hold it until you let them out to go outside. (Unless like some of the dogs on here who pee on their bedding and then bunch it up in the corner of the kennel! lol)


Oh and if its easy for you, I would take out the section when training him to settle in his crate, but put in it at night when he sleeps or you leave him (for pottying purposes). But the extra room for him to get in and get used to it will probably help with training.
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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2009, 03:58 PM »
Nothing wrong with sectioning off the crate until he grows into it and Yes, it leaves less space for him to feel comfortable soiling. They "typically" do not like to be sleeping in the soiled areas.

I have always had the crate in my room, being "closer" may make it easier to quiet him quickly....it depends! Like Aima mentioned; it will be easier to hear him as well.

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Sounds like you have a great start and good luck with continued sucess tonight!

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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2009, 04:50 PM »
Sounds like you have had a lot of good advice and I can tell you firsthand how those howls got to me.  They do get over it however although you will feel like a basket case after having no sleep for a few days  :) Kumba knows to go into his crate when I get a special treat out, he will run in there like a lunatic.  It is also kept open during the day while I am at home and he quite often goes in himself and has a nap.  At night he is still crated because he does chew things he is not supposed to if left alone to his own devices. Good luck and best wishes with him.  Pictures pictures pictures  :)
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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2009, 06:28 PM »
There is a book called Crate Games that is supposed to be helpful with crate training. 

RR's are pack animals and they like to be with their peeps.  If you can move the crate in your bedroom that will be better but you can probably get him used to being in the other room in time. 

I'm really no help otherwise because mine sleep in the bed with me at night.  My pup (4.5mos) is crated during the day with no issues.
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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2009, 09:10 PM »
We don't crate Ziva nor Jasmine at night only when we are not home.  But we also fed jasmine in her crate when she was a puppy for a while to get used to it.  In the morning they know when I get up and get my keys they both head to their crates, of course they get a special treat.  I have found them just laying in their crates during the course of they day, napping.
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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2009, 09:48 AM »
Hello Everyone,
All of your tips have been very helpful. Last night was...something. Jackson (my puppy) had a very hard time during the night. In the beginning he howled, after about 20 minutes of it I decided to try a method that I read in book. I caught him off guard during one of his fits and clapped my hands once followed by saying ENOUGH very loudly. This startled him but he began to get he picture quickly. He understood that I wasn't going to tolerate his whining all night. However I had to do this a number of times due to his frequent potty breaks. Once he came inside from the potty breaks, I had to repeat the same routine as before.
I am seeing the benefits of kennel training already. It good for Jackson to have a place of his own also it cuts down on accidents at night! Next I plan to try the Crate games, I think that is a great idea to try to make the crate more appealing outside of bribing him with treats. I feel like we are on the right track....And my husband will just have to be patient LOL.

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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2009, 12:02 PM »
We have had Rolo for 5 days now and crate training was not bad at all. You'll have to act "cruel" to be kind. We have his crate in the our spare room and that is where it will stay, we found then when he whined we simply closed the door, I know sounds mean, but it really worked, he stopped whining about 10 minutes after the door was closed we then got back up and opened it and he was fast asleep. We use a lifestages crate so we have it divided off so he can't go potty in it unless he wants to sleep in it, it has been dry everynight and in the morning his first steps are outside to peeps and poops. We had a hard time and felt terrible to just let him whine and cry but I am certain that this lesson will only make hime a better adjusted adult dog.

Stick with a plan, keep it simple, and never back down.

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Re: Kennel Training Tips
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2009, 07:50 AM »
I really regret not crate training Maximus. He was attacked by another dog the second day we got him so my husband and I just kept him in bed with us (he had 16 sutures and 3 drains and was on all kinds of meds & pain killers). He's eight months old now. My husband is home with him ALL the time. Wherever he goes he takes all three dogs with him.

The biggest problem we're having is if my husband takes a nap during the day, Maximus will chew shoes or rip apart our hallway carpet. We don't leave our shoes out anymore, but about twice a week, there's a fresh bare spot in my hallway (and it's brand new carpet).

Maximus is a typical RR and very stubborn. A friend of my has a crate and has offered to loan it to us to try to crate train him now. Do you think we've missed the crate training window? I really think it would be a horrible fight to get him to crate train now.
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